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| TeamAmerica wrote: | | dodger wrote: | | Either someone is going to go on a rampage or they're not. Nothing is going to turn a normal person into a mass-murderer, just like that. |
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Write that down in your copybooks now. |
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| Steveo wrote: | | cyber95 wrote: | | ...WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU PROTEST THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF PEOPLE'S DEATHS!? |
How the fuck would I know. Those crazy idiotic buffoons protest the funerals of fallen servicemen in the war. Those phelps' people are just ignorant. Hell, they protested Mr. Rogers funeral, AND Jerry Falwell. |
They should've fucking BURNED Falwell.
Noone's going to protest his funeral. Hell. I've been waiting a while for it.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Steveo wrote: | | cyber95 wrote: | | ...WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU PROTEST THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF PEOPLE'S DEATHS!? |
How the fuck would I know. Those crazy idiotic buffoons protest the funerals of fallen servicemen in the war. Those phelps' people are just ignorant. Hell, they protested Mr. Rogers funeral, AND Jerry Falwell. |
Uh, Jerry Falwell is alive.
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I think he means Falwell protested.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| possums wrote: | | Uh, Jerry Falwell is alive. |
Still? I'll fix that!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| possums wrote: | | Uh, Jerry Falwell is alive. |
If you call that living. |
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| dodger wrote: | | Cyberpumpkin wrote: | | So what was? |
One man had a lot of trouble dealing with his emotions. That's pretty much the long and short of it. Occam's Razor, right?
I don't understand why the simplest explanation never seems to be good enough for most of America. Either someone is going to go on a rampage or they're not. Nothing is going to turn a normal person into a mass-murderer, just like that. |
Because sometimes the simplest explanation is not correct. "Either someone's going to go on a rampage or not", sheesh. You're smarter than that, dodger. |
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Well in this case it is. Maybe stuff was preventable if we could see the future but we couldn't. I we went after everyone who acted a little weird or creepy our system would be more clogged up than it already is.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyberpumpkin wrote: | | dodger wrote: | | Cyberpumpkin wrote: | | So what was? |
One man had a lot of trouble dealing with his emotions. That's pretty much the long and short of it. Occam's Razor, right?
I don't understand why the simplest explanation never seems to be good enough for most of America. Either someone is going to go on a rampage or they're not. Nothing is going to turn a normal person into a mass-murderer, just like that. |
Because sometimes the simplest explanation is not correct. "Either someone's going to go on a rampage or not", sheesh. You're smarter than that, dodger. |
I don't understand your point, and you fail to point out what's wrong with my statement.
You could safely argue that childhood abuse, hereditary or accrued emotional problems, or other long-term situations might result in an extreme backlash like the one we're talking about. To say that video games or heavy metal music or one particular event caused Cho to go off... that's not realistic.
A single traumatic event does not trigger unchecked violence against the world at large. That sort of thing comes from long-term anger. To say "either someone is going to go on a rampage, or they're not" basically covers it. Either someone has long-term emotional problems in their background, and are capable of mass-murder... or they don't, and they're not.
You asked what triggered this man's actions, and I said that the man had some pretty bad problems. It's a simple explanation... if you were looking for a list of problems Cho had, I'm not the man with the answers, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.
Occam's Razor is more than a catchphrase, it's a valid model for decision-making. Blaming video games or heavy metal or some other single factor... it means making assumptions, one of which being that he was emotionally disturbed in the first place.
Sorry about the long post... I just had to make sure I was as clear as possible. |
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Sorry for being unclear about that: I meant was that a statement like "He had trouble dealing with his emotions" is seems like such a vague and obvious explanation that it doesn't really mean anything, sorta like saying "It just happened" or "He went crazy".
Everyone has trouble dealing with their emotions, but it doesn't cause them to plan and execute mass murders. This guy didn't just have emotional problems, he was psychotic, which is a fancy way to say that the way his brain worked so that he could live among others of his species was broken.
My problem with this simplest answer is that it assumes that it just sort-of happened, and nothing identifiable contributed to it. Of course it's silly to blame just video games, or just heavy metal, or even just that he bought some of his ammo magazines from my proud home state. But it seems like whenever someone tries to bring up possible cultural factors that may have contributed to the problem (not caused, but contributed), no they are immediately shouted down as purely non-credible.
Please don't get me wrong: I'm not sticking up for Jack Thompson. But I also don't think this stuff happens in a vacuum, and I think it's too bad that people don't seem to care why something happened, as long as nothing they like gets blamed for it. |
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Jack Thompson's a liar anyways. According to the search warrant CNN got a copy of, they found no evidence of video games in Cho's room, and his roommate says he had never seen him play any games. They didn't have any game consoles, and no gaming equipment or software was found. Although, they hadn't searched Cho's hard drive yet when they released the statement, but it's unlikely they'll find any traces of games.
So Jack Thompson can either try to blame Minesweeper or he can go suck on his foot.
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| Cyberpumpkin wrote: | | A very reasonable response. |
I completely agree with you, on all counts. BUT, what we're talking about is probably a multitude of different factors coming together to push this guy over the edge.
In my own case, the combination of developing a severe health problem, the rocky nature of a serious relationship, and pure-and-simple apathy resulted in my dropping of an important college course which I had to re-take, thus pushing my college career into a fifth year. Plus, you know, all the accumulated stress and emotional problems I had on top of the main "trigger" factors.
I'm not saying that I was in a gun-down-the-masses type of situation. I'm just pointing out that the sources of an incident like this are going to be a very complicated series of events and reactions. Something like this is more or less beyond explanation, because it is so complex.
You're right, these things don't happen in a vacuum... but we can't blame society for the actions of one individual. At some point, personal responsibility comes into play. So to say "this man was very disturbed and made a very unfortunate decision" is about as good an explanation as we're going to get. |
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Word.
Wait. . . an agreement? I'm marking this on my calendar lol!!11one |
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| Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote: |
So Jack Thompson can either try to blame Minesweeper or he can go suck on his foot. |
"Hmm.... he couldn't get his hand on any landmines, so he decided to go with guns instead!" said Jack Thompson, not noticing the red dot square on his forehead.
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His roommate said he watched alot of wrestling. I blame John Cena.
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