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you probably shouldnt, because we all know that the new york times is just a byproduct of the liberal media and not a reputable news source.
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| Quote: | Even where money is available, the research has been hindered by federal restraints. At places like Harvard University, Memorial SLoan-Kettring Cancer Center, in New York, and UCLA's stem-cell institute, researchers have been bound up by read tape since the President's decision. Every dollar spent on stem cells must be segretgated from research financed with public money. "Our best young scientists, who should be thinking about their experiments, have to be very clear about which pencils they can touch and which they can't" Steven Hyman told me. "Who would want to operate in those conditions?" A modern laboratory requires equipment--electron microscrops, centrifuges, cell fractionators, and powerful computers--that costs millions of dollars, and those tools are routinely shared, except with people working on stem cells. "If we have a postdoc working on a stem-cell project and he needs to spend half an hour a week using a DNA sequencer or something else that costs a hundred thousand dollars, we cannot let him use one owned by the University," Hyman said. "We might even have to buy a new one."
There are other complications. "If we discover somethign exciting in a stem-cell lab and we want to test it with materials in another lab, or use it in an experiment, we can't unless those experiments and those labs have no federal money attached to them," Owen Witte said. "Then, there is the infrastructure. If portions of this building were constructed with federal dollars"--it is the rare building on a public university campus in the US that is not--"we would be proscribed from using it, even from establishing specially segregated labs." Witte added that it was not even clear whether the reults of private stem-cell research could be published in a scientific journal that receives federal funds or whether that information could then be used in other experiments by scientists who receive federal support (or work at places that do). "It is an incredible encumbrance, and it has hurt us in every possible way," he said. "If you really want science to succeed, it needs a bit of unfettered creativity. If you regulate it and restrict it and wrap it in chains, you are taking away the very essence of what science is supposed to do." |
Why research doesn't really work without federal funding. It's from the March 13th 2006 issue of the New Yorker, in a very interesting article called "Political Science" by Michael Specter. I might quote other bits and pieces if the time comes round.
I wouldn't say that the New Yorker is a bastion of liberal media, seeing as I don't read it that often (in fact, the only time I've ever bought it was for that article) but from what I can tell it's not incredibly liberal--might be a bit more left than right, but not terribly significant.
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"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." - Thomas Jefferson, 1802
What ever happened to that, then?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Special interests/business over what's really the right thing to do.
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| Zenodoros wrote: | "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." - Thomas Jefferson, 1802
What ever happened to that, then? |
i actually quoted that when arguing over this one...he was all "our founding fathers were christians" and i whipped that out on 'im.
boom!
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There are a few private companies already funding stem cell research; HHMI is one of them. I work at a private science university, and one of the labs I assist in works with human stem cells quite regularly (despite the fact that they cost $600 for 100 microliters). Yes, this means that even though the president's decision to pursue ridiculously misguided moral ideals instead of popular opinion, productivity and science, a few scientists are still scraping funding to continue their work slowly. This doesn't mean it's easy or even reasonable; private funding is few and far between, especially with new scientists, including post docs and recent graduates. Governmental funding, through organizations like NIH, are vital in getting equipment and other necessary items for labs like this, since their resources are considerably larger than any private company.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that stem cell research is not some crazy or far-fetched idea that bioengineers think "may" be useful. They are real and are being used as we speak without any controversy in the realm of scientifically educated people. President Bush again misses the point of the whole concept and makes it increasingly more difficult for scientists to do their work.
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Terri's cloning ITS as we speak!
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I wonder what the US will be like once "Dubya's" out of office...
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| I don't get it. Why do we have to have Parties? Why don't people just vote for whoever they see fit for president instead of voting for someone who's a republican or a democrat or whatever? Just like Maddox's article, I've asked kids who thought Bush was a good president (Not like they know anything anyway) why they liked him, and they've simply replied with "Because he's a republican and I'm one." Not only are the kids at my school too young to actually be involved in politics (13 and 14), but most of them just call themselves republicans and democrats because their parents are. Anyway, isn't it bothersome how alot of people just vote for whoever is in their Party instead of someone fit to be president? Why is this? |
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| Zenodoros wrote: | | "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." - Thomas Jefferson, 1802 |
it means that the government can't legislate religion, but it doesn't prevent religion-based laws.
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which is too bad, because i recall jefferson also saying that people shouldn't do that either
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| Evangel wrote: | | I don't get it. Why do we have to have Parties? Why don't people just vote for whoever they see fit for president instead of voting for someone who's a republican or a democrat or whatever? |
You can vote for whoever you want for president. I could vote for Eh Steveo if I wanted to...
the only thing is, he has no chance of being elected, 'cause less than 1% of the american population has ever heard of him. Political parties are... in theory... groups of like-minded people who all back a certain party member for election, which gets them tons of votes and an actual chance of getting elected.
| president logan wrote: | | which is too bad, because i recall jefferson also saying that people shouldn't do that either |
find a source and we'll see.
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evangul ur rtrarded
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Washington hated political parties, but Adams and Jefferson had to go and fuck everything up for all of us.
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