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| Sharp wrote: | | Doctors deserve high salaries when being doctors, not using their abilities to save hmos money. |
huh?
HMOs hate doctors. Doctors charge the HMOs money. They also overdiagnose patients just to find conditions the HMOs will pay for so the patients can use their insurance to pay for their stuff. The doctors are on our side.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| fruiterian wrote: | | Mavhunter wrote: | We need summa dis up in hurr:
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What does the plight of the Basque country/people have to do with health care? I mean, there's violence and everything with the Basque, that's like, a different story and a different reason for marching... |
I don't think marching on the government's gonna change much. First of all, peaceful parading is largely ineffective at creating much change, since the status quo has adapted to accept picketing, chanting, and marching as a mere form of bitching. As someone who's participated in many the anti-war march, I'll tell you that congressmen just don't really seem to give a shit. Second of all, you've got your target misplaced. Some direct action tactics towards the healthcare industry would get them to wise up. Businesses are the real dudes in control, anyway.
And I'm not sure if the free-market or any other capitalist solution is the best way to go about the healthcare solution, but things are always messiest and bad with large, bloated, bureaucratic governments. Government always seems to have this problem of best serving the interests of the governing. There has to be a pretty good bottom-up solution that no one's really thought of yet.
I'm gonna work some things out in my head and come back with an alternative. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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I saw this today. It pretty much hit the nail on the head.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote: | | Sharp wrote: | | Doctors deserve high salaries when being doctors, not using their abilities to save hmos money. |
huh?
HMOs hate doctors. Doctors charge the HMOs money. They also overdiagnose patients just to find conditions the HMOs will pay for so the patients can use their insurance to pay for their stuff. The doctors are on our side. |
Hrm. I could have sworn that those people who looked for denials were doctors. |
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| Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote: | | We need to find some way of forcing the HMOs to stop being greedy without impeding their ability to function. |
No, what we really need to do is rethink our health care model. I'm impressed, though. You've never been a proponent of forcing businesses to do anything in the past. . . 
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There have been times where I have been a proponent of socialism in general. Democratic socialism has been proven to work well as a form of government in general (in Sweden, for example). However, I am not in favor of socialized health care, especially in America. As far as this one goes, I'm with Dave.
One issue not addressed in Sicko is that if the US were to socialize health care, our already-crowded hospitals would be taking care of millions and millions of people that they currently do not: the lower class, who can't afford hospital visits or insurance in the first place, and are already overtaxed.
So, yes, minimum-wage workers could go to the clinic when they get sick and be prescribed antibiotics by an overworked, under-motivated doctor. And for this, the government will take yet another chunk of their already meager paycheck, and they probably still would not be able to get treatment on a serious matter.
As things stand, health care is lousy for the bottom rungs of the ladder. Under socialized health care, things would be slightly better for the poor, and worse for the folks in the middle. Keep the government out of my hospital, please.
And while we're at it, can we get the government and the insurance cartels out of the same bed? |
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We need to add a third branch to the legislature that can't be bought. How long until every US citizen can enter a government-issued identification code into a secure web site and vote on bills like the ones in the House and Senate? If it was up to the citizens, the HMOs wouldn't have it so good. Sure, they could start some massive vote-buying system...
OR they could just start providing good service.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| I'd take that money and vote for what I wanted to, regardless. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| dodger wrote: | | So, yes, minimum-wage workers could go to the clinic when they get sick and be prescribed antibiotics by an overworked, under-motivated doctor. And for this, the government will take yet another chunk of their already meager paycheck, and they probably still would not be able to get treatment on a serious matter. |
Who says that a doctor can only be motivated by money? I mean, couldn't they love helping people and be getting a mental/spiritual/personal boost every day from doing so?
Or is the world that full of greedy, selfish people?
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| Mavhunter wrote: | | Or is the world that full of greedy, selfish people? |
bingo!
Isn't that the argument for socialized medicine in the first place? Or are only corporations greedy?
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I feel worse about mankind every day.
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so stop being a hippie and learn to watch out for yourself.
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I'd have to be a hippie first! I'm just friends with them.
Plus, I've never been in a hospital for sickness or anything (cept for birth), so I hope I'm good for a while.
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| Mavhunter wrote: | | Who says that a doctor can only be motivated by money? I mean, couldn't they love helping people and be getting a mental/spiritual/personal boost every day from doing so? |
Haha, what after-school program did you go to?
Such doctors do exist, but they probably already work for charitable clinics, which are few and far between.
Cosider the dentist! Would you stick your hands in somebody else's mouth all damn day, if the money wasn't good? I mean, what sort of person has such a hard-on for dental hygeine that they'd pull another person's teeth for the joy of it?
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Why would you be a surgeon? They're ICKY YUCKY BODY PARTS inside! Why would you ever want to make someone feel better!?
FURTHERMORE, why would you dedicate all of those years of college and medical school and go into that specific field when the highest-paid position is CLEARLY a brain surgeon!
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