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Chazaq · Chazaq Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 382 Status: User

What are your ideas about it?

I believe that violence is never justified, even in self-defense. It take a lot of self-discipline and courage to stop the suffering, so revenge and punishment is never productive, if anything it is a form of self-destruction. Getting to that, all form of violence, verbal and physical, are forms of self-destruction.

What do you guys think of it?

Sharp · Gender: Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 5942 Status: User

Violence is cool when some guy beats up another guy cool style.

Violence is hot in violent love-making.

Violence is funny when someone gets hit in the nuts.

Yeah, no complaints here.

Mavhunter · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject:

An effective way of dealing with those neurotic, psychotic, hedonistic Christians.

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Belgianbronco · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject:

Violence over women is, and always will be, good.
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Chazaq · Chazaq Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 382 Status: User

I kind of wanted a serious discussion, but I guess not.

Its_The_Sneak!!! · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:07 am Post subject:

violence is human nature.

Like... I want to hurt Mav for hating Christians.

I won't, but I want to.

The more you ignore your desire to cause violence, the better person you are, usually.

Yes, I'll say that.

But there are times when violence is absolutely necessary, simply because other people are being excessively violent.
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the bunk · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:23 am Post subject:

like preemptive strike
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Mavhunter · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:24 am Post subject:

ITS is no fun... that's Nero, man, read up on your history.
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Chazaq · Chazaq Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 382 Status: User

Its_The_Sneak!!! · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:31 am Post subject:

If someone was trying to kill you, you'd just let them?
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Chazaq · Chazaq Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 382 Status: User

I would certainly resist and use all non-violent forms of self-defense possible, but if it came down to the extreme decision of killing them, or even hurting them, I would rather die.

I know that might sounds idealistic, and I can agree that the situation is completely hypothetical, I can only hope I would respond in the way I'm saying, but I would rather die than save my own life at the expense of someone else. Who am I to say that my life was more valuable then their own? If they are trying to kill me, they must have a reason for it, but I would never fight back. It would make me just as bad as them(according to my individual moral system).

Edit: I know this seems awkward, I just have a much harder time communicating this idea through text.

It's just a really simple mantra. I want to stop the cycle of pain.

Its_The_Sneak!!! · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:43 am Post subject:

Chazaq · Chazaq Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 382 Status: User

You can doubt me all you want, I do it just the same. I doubt that anything I say is even possible, I just don't want anyone to suffer. I've just never been in that situation, I hope I never am, and I pray that you don't either.

The cycle I'm speaking of is one act of violence and create such resentment (that is ultimately self-destructive) that revenge is wanted. We succumb to the seductive pleasure of some sort of justice if the person who commits the violence suffers more or less than the victim. But by holding the hate, it only hurts yourself. I must realize that the violent person is human just like me, and no matter how hard we try we can not be perfect. But the aspiration for perfection is almost as good. You must forgive. I must forgive everyone. I'm not a Christian, but jesus forgave everyone for there sins, which is one of the most courages selfless thing imaginable. And there is nothing in the world stopping me for being Jesus. Jesus didn't go around hurting people and throwing them in jail. He suffered through a humble torture for the sake of humanity.

That's the only way to help society progress towards Jesus. I mus live my life with utter selflessness and sacrifice as to hope that I influence anyone to live for good. I alone am meaningless and unless I live a humble life of servitude, I have to meaning. i must create it. Jesus created meaning in his life and jesus is inside of me. Jesus is the individual. My choices and freedom is all I have in the world so I must fight the temptation of apathy and love the world. I must love and forgive my fellow man or I will become the decremental aspect of society. I can not allow that.

Edit: I'm sorry if I offended any atheist or theist because of my refrences to jesus.

Its_The_Sneak!!! · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:00 am Post subject:

even Jesus was violent once or twice. Ever hear the story of the time he found the merchants in the temple? He yelled at them for conducting business in his father's house, and flipped over and destroyed their tables.

And I see, the cycle of pain is like the path to the dark side... violence causes fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. Yeah, I get that, but violence in self-defense is exempt from that, since nobody will fault you for defending yourself.
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You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
- CEO Nwabudike Morgan
"The Chicken of Lust"

Chazaq · Chazaq Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 382 Status: User

Haha, It's so fantastic how Star Wars can be applied to almost all discussions. Razz

I wouldn't condemn anyone for acting in self-defense, hell I wouldn't condemn anyone for just acting in violence. Although it is extremely disappointing, I am in no place to condemn anyone. Though, personally, I will never commit an act of violence. I would place myself at fault for succumbing to the nature of the man I am disappointed in. I would be disappointed in myself.

And relating to that story of Jesus, is destruction of possessions an act of violence or an act of Detournement(if you are filmier with Situationist)? If could possible hurt the owner economically through an opportunity loss, but if nothing ever happens, how can it hold value?