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the bunk · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:54 am Post subject:

cheney does hella shit
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He'd still be doing it even if he wasn't vice president. Somehow.

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fruiterian · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject:

alright, so i know this was last page, but can someone explain nafta to me in a way that's slightly shorter than the wikipedia article?

the arguments against nafta here are more of the "fair trade lol" variety.
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the bunk · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:27 am Post subject:

i think it's about trading with tarrifs instead of without, which would create more jobs in america--which is why organized labor wants to get rid of it.
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Its_The_Sneak!!! · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:36 am Post subject:

yeah, basically, there are no tarrifs between the US, Canada and Mexico.
Which means there's no extra cost to ship things made in Mexico.
Which means we can export our manufacturing jobs to Mexico, and Mexico's economy would benefit.

But of course, unskilled laborers in the US are completely against it, because if the factories move to Mexico in search of cheaper labor, then the only job choices left are basically either retail or janitorial work.

Wal-mart doesn't pay for a family of 5.
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dodger · Gender: Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 2136 Status: User

Sneak's got it pretty well sewed up: NAFTA means America doesn't have to pay fees on goods imported from Mexico and Canada, and Mexicans and Canadians don't have to pay fees on American goods. There's a lot more to it, but that's the basic gist of it.

This makes Mexican goods cheaper to Americans in general. Organized labor is against NAFTA because they feel that it allows American jobs to be outsourced to Mexico. This isn't the case at all, however. American jobs are outsourced to Mexico because Mexicans will work for peanuts, Mexican business taxes are lower than U.S. business taxes, and environmental standards are lower or nonexistant.

The main problem with NAFTA is that most Americans don't know what it actually is. People hear that NAFTA allows companies to funnel jobs to Mexico, and assume that it's true, when it's simply not.

NAFTA is a good thing for Mexico and Canada, and good for America in small ways (like making it easier to put U.S. trash in Canadian landfills!), but overall the effect on the U.S. economy isn't very significant. What IS good for the U.S., though, is building Mexico into a G8 nation.

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Its_The_Sneak!!! · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject:

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I differ on one point: I think the best way to curb illegal immigration is to crack down HARD on American businesses who knowingly hire illegal immigrants... and unless that illegal immigrant has convincingly forged identification (highly unlikely), there is no way an employer could be unaware that their new hire was illegal.

the bunk · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:36 am Post subject:

bah. whatever the solution is, you can forget about seeing any real effort to curb illegal immigration--by republican or democrat.
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Its_The_Sneak!!! · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:16 am Post subject:

Well, if we make it harder for them to find work here, then that's all the less we have to improve Mexico to make it attractive to go back home.
But what's stopping the companies from forging their employees ID for them? If it means cheap labor, who knows how far the company will go?
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the bunk · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:46 am Post subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i-mksZODSs&eur
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