Yes, brutality exists today, as it always has. But why does nobody know about this? It's even more fierce than the turmoil in the Middle East. _________________
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject:
Yea, that's pretty bad, but Darfur is just as bad. It seems like the Middle East devours Africa when it comes to News Exclusives and thus no one is getting the memo. _________________
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:40 am Post subject:
Mavhunter wrote:
Because they don't have any oil.
Bing! That is correct! There'a also the whole thing with America having so much Zionist supports since the Holocaust that we just got involved with the whole thing. So we have a huge political interest in the Middle East.
But Africa? Pfft. If the whole continent blew up I'm fairly certain that America wouldn't care. Maybe we'd miss all those diamonds in Southern Africa, though?
We didn't do shit in Rwanda, we haven't done jack in Sudan, and one of the few times we did try to help out in Africa (Somalia) we ended up getting chased out by those we helped. Don't really see how that's going to change in Uganda. It's a sad fact of our political world.
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:51 am Post subject:
but why should America have to help everyone? We're not the only country with money or an army, can't.... France or Germany stop the killing in Darfur?
They're not....
sure, people expect the US to step in, but we're already stepping all over the place. Why isn't anyone else stepping in in our stead?
And then here's another thing... why are Africa and the Middle East so culturally backward?
That's not a jab at islam or anything, I'm just saying... over there, they still chop off hands to punish thieves. Heck, over there, some of them've been dressing about the same since the Roman Empire fell. Why do the majority of the people running around down there still harbor so many 1st century ideas and traditions?
What was so special about Europe and central Asia that they developed out of most barbaric practices, but the Middle East and Africa didn't?
Maybe it's just a lack of communication. Maybe it's just a matter of getting more of their young people online. Once all the middle-eastern kids see that while their ancestors were sitting around blissfully ignorant and enjoying their 1st century ideals, the rest of the world moved on and is so much better off because of it.
Maybe they'll even want to move on as well.
Then again, that's too much to hope for. More likely they'll see our progress and their parents will tell them to hate us for it. Then they'll be handed a vest made of dynamite and sent on their way.
And the more we progress, the more they'll hate us for it... but instead of doing anything about their own stagnation, they'll just try to halt our progress. Sooner or later, someone in power down there will try to stop us with a nuke. World War 3 will be briefly fought with ballistic nuclear missiles, and a few days later, Earth will be a sterile planet.
Worst part is, there's little we can do to stop it.
Let me again say I'm not making any statements against Islam. There's nothing wrong with Islam. It's the geographical location that's the problem.
Proof:
some American Muslims
some Mid-eastern Muslims
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject:
Yes, because if you live in the Middle East and are Muslim, you hate America and work with Al-Qaida. Just like how of you live in the Northeast of the US, you're an Ivy-league liberal with a yacht in a private harbor. _________________
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject:
Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote:
And then here's another thing... why are Africa and the Middle East so culturally backward?
Define "Culturally backword". Maybe you're referring to the Americanization of the world? Maybe you think every nation on earth have large skyscrapers, a democratic/capitalist system of government, fast food joints, nifty computer and electronics, and apple pie?
Anyway, Africa and the Middle East are a mess right now due in large part to European Imperialism and the results of World War II.
In the late 1800's and early 1900's Europe pretty much controlled all of Africa and drew borders based on their own interests and the land the conquered. There was certainly no thought in drawing borders based on geographic areas or the cultures of the conquered people. Then the African nations kept those borders after Independence. Post World War II, Europe drew up the borders for the Middle East for control purposes, much for the same reason as in Africa.
That's why Sudan is a mess. It has an Arabic/Muslim north and an African/Tribal south. That's why Iraq is a mess. It's got Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis all under the same nation.
But as for "culturally backword"? For the muslims, I'm sure they believe us to be culturally backword. Maybe not in technology, but lifestyles. Muslims have shunned American Modernization mainly because..
a.) It doesn't follow their Muslim ideals.
b.) They HATE us. Mainly because of our support of Israel.
Ayatollah Komeini(sp?) anyone? The whole reason Iran isn't modern right now is because we kinda pissed off the Iranians when we supported the brutal Shah (since he wasn't a communist) and the ayatollah and many others had a vision of a wholly Muslim nation. They don't WANT to "modernize".
As for Africa? Well they're still in extreme poverty. Plus they're killing each other alot down there. Then you got the whole AIDS thing killing people and a huge lack of support from the rest of the world after all the nations got independence.
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject:
Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote:
but why should America have to help everyone? We're not the only country with money or an army, can't.... France or Germany stop the killing in Darfur?
They're not....
sure, people expect the US to step in, but we're already stepping all over the place. Why isn't anyone else stepping in in our stead?
And then here's another thing... why are Africa and the Middle East so culturally backward?
That's not a jab at islam or anything, I'm just saying... over there, they still chop off hands to punish thieves. Heck, over there, some of them've been dressing about the same since the Roman Empire fell. Why do the majority of the people running around down there still harbor so many 1st century ideas and traditions?
What was so special about Europe and central Asia that they developed out of most barbaric practices, but the Middle East and Africa didn't?
Maybe it's just a lack of communication. Maybe it's just a matter of getting more of their young people online. Once all the middle-eastern kids see that while their ancestors were sitting around blissfully ignorant and enjoying their 1st century ideals, the rest of the world moved on and is so much better off because of it.
Maybe they'll even want to move on as well.
Then again, that's too much to hope for. More likely they'll see our progress and their parents will tell them to hate us for it. Then they'll be handed a vest made of dynamite and sent on their way.
And the more we progress, the more they'll hate us for it... but instead of doing anything about their own stagnation, they'll just try to halt our progress. Sooner or later, someone in power down there will try to stop us with a nuke. World War 3 will be briefly fought with ballistic nuclear missiles, and a few days later, Earth will be a sterile planet.
Worst part is, there's little we can do to stop it.
Let me again say I'm not making any statements against Islam. There's nothing wrong with Islam. It's the geographical location that's the problem.
Proof:
some American Muslims
some Mid-eastern Muslims
What gives?
I don't want to go into great detail about it now, but this post angers me a great deal. _________________ You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject:
I agree that Africa, and other countrys are in need of help, but I think we should take care of our own as well. There are homeless here due to Katrina, financial crap, etc. People are sleeping on the streets here starving, and we give out food to poor countries. Im not harsh or cruel, Im just saying we should pay more attention to our own people first, and then take care of those who need the assistance. America needs to build itself back up again. _________________ MY BARF is TASTIER than Yours!!!
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject:
Mavhunter wrote:
Yes, because if you live in the Middle East and are Muslim, you hate America and work with Al-Qaida. Just like how of you live in the Northeast of the US, you're an Ivy-league liberal with a yacht in a private harbor.
"Most" "Some" "Many" "A lot of"
mean anything to you?
What do I mean by "culturally backward"?
One of the worst hate groups we have over here is the KKK. What do they get away with? Burning crosses, IF they're lucky enough not to get caught. The only reason the KKK is still allowed to exist over here is because of their right to free speech. But that's all they're allowed to do; speak.
However, in the Middle East, hate groups get away with the murder of innocents on a massive scale, and in Africa, hate groups get away with genocide.
They not only get away with it, but they are encouraged and applauded by masses of people down there.
Maybe hate crimes were okay in Roman times, but since then, the rest of the world has realized that hate crimes are abhorrent. Why do so many people in the Middle East and Africa have yet to see that? Hate crimes should be universally abhorrent. THAT's how I define culturally backward. Cultures today should not foster hate.
If you disagree with me, you're probably a moral relativist. Which means, by your own system, you can't judge anyone else as morally right or wrong. Have fun with that.
So yeah, misunderstand me all you want. Slap all the "muslim hater" or "intolerant" labels on me. That's not what I meant, and you should be able to see that!
ZealousDemon wrote:
That's why Sudan is a mess. It has an Arabic/Muslim north and an African/Tribal south. That's why Iraq is a mess. It's got Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis all under the same nation.
I knew the history lesson, ZD, but I still don't see why this proves anything.
Look at our country: we've got blacks, whites, asians... every concievable race is represented here. We've got christians, muslims, jews, atheists, buddhists... every concievable religion. Yet for the most part, we all get along... and those who violently refuse to get along get reprimanded and punished.
And don't tell me that it's because no one group is big enough... remember the Civil War? The country was split almost in half because of a moral dispute. The Civil War, however, only lasted what, 5 years? That's because we don't foster hate over here. If our culture was like their culture, the USA and the CSA would both still exist and be constantly involved in skirmishes and terrorist attacks trying to annex parts of each other. I'm looking at you, Israel and Palestine.
Over there, a lot of people think it's okay to kill someone because they're of a "rival" ethnicity or religion. If their culture was like our culture, they wouldn't be killing each other.
Here's a great example for you: The Troubles of Northern Ireland. The catholic Nationalists were fighting the protestant Unionists. This had gone on for generations. However, today, the fighting is no more. Why? Because the Northern Irish people finally woke up and realized it was pointless and terrible to hate and kill each other. They signed an agreement and decided to do things democratically instead.
If only the Middle East and Africa could do that.
But of course, they won't. They really seem to be convinced that the only course of action is to systematically conquer and kill anyone who isn't like them.
We can't stop them from killing each other... we can put a brief halt to it, but they'll never stop until we convince them that killing people because you hate them is wrong.
That's right, little Billy, killing people because you hate them is wrong. Nine year olds can understand that. Why can't the majority of the Middle East? _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
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"The Chicken of Lust"
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:25 am Post subject:
Instead of disseminating your entire "speech", I'll say only that the Civil War was not about slavery until the Emancipation Proclamation, genius. _________________
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:56 am Post subject:
Mavhunter wrote:
Instead of disseminating your entire "speech", I'll say only that the Civil War was not about slavery until the Emancipation Proclamation, genius.
Then what was it about, genius? _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
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"The Chicken of Lust"
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