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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:24 am Post subject:
Sharp wrote:
Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote:
Empy wrote:
ITS doesn't change opinions.
Wrong.
.... occasionally.
It's not that, it's just that he likes long pointless arguments that tend to tick off other people.
No, that's not an insult. He's told me.
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And Nintendo products have usually been behind the times... the Gameboy is crap compared to the Lynx and Game Gear
That's an odd statement. I wonder what it's based on?
If "behind the times" means "Nintendo doesn't understand its market or deliver what they want", you might wanna rethink that, since they have a very long and continuing history of proving that statement monumentally wrong. And I don't just mean "bought a Butterfinger instead of a Baby Ruth" wrong, I mean "ended up being the main performer in a marathon Mexican donkey show instead of having a soda and watching a Simpsons rerun" wrong.
Nearly every console generation (until recently) has proven that the games make the consol, not the hardware. If the Gameboy was crap, why are its sales numbers still unsurpassed in the industry? And I'm not talking about the old Grey Giant up through the GBA SP+, I'm talking just the old 1989 thing. It had over 700 games released for it (again, not including the GBC and beyond), and there are still people who play old GB/GBC games in their SP systems.
If by "behind the times" you mean "not as advanced hardware", then well, yeah, the Lynx had better graphics and was released in the same calendar year as the original Gameboy, but it was huge, heavy, expensive to buy and expensive to power (more batteries) and had comparatively little software to make the hardware do anything impressive. The Game Gear also had somewhat better graphics, but it was also very expensive and it ate batteries at an astonishing rate (I know; I owned one briefly) and also had a relatively small game library.
Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote:
And the SNES got its butt kicked by its competitor systems as well.
Well, not really. Since the Sega Master System (Sega's 8-bit system) was nowhere close to being a serious competitor with the NES, Sega came out with the Genesis. Anyone remember "Genesis does what Nintendon't"? Yeah. The Genesis and good old Sonic came out while the NES had quite a bit more steam left. How much more? Try six years before support for the system was completely discontinued. That means that there was still a viable market for 8-bit Nintendo games up to only a year before the end of the Genesis life cycle.
Then comes the Super Nintendo, a little over two years after the Genesis comes out, and it still manages to not only find a foothold in the market, but its life cycle extends past the end of the Genesis and the Saturn.
Question for anyone but ITS: Does this sound like a butt-kicking to you?
Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote:
, the N64 came out long after the Atari Jaguar, and... and the Dreamcast?
The N64 was released after the Jaguar was removed from life-support. That was fine with everyone involved since, for all the hoopla about "true 64-bit architecture" (I remember that from some yay-for-technology news report back in the day), it couldn't seem to muster graphics to rival even mediocre Genesis games. The Dreamcast's lifecycle (April 1999-January 2001) is straddled by the N64's span (1996-2002).
I see no buttkicking here.
Also, nobody cares what you think of Nintendo's ideas, ITS. If you buy a Revolution, you will be voting "yes" for Nintendo's latest product. End of story.
EDIT: And yes, I realize that I have caused the death of a kitten and a couple of Domos. Even I am not immune.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:21 am Post subject:
I really don't know where ITS got that. The SNES wasn't doing that great against the Genesis/Mega Drive until 1994 when Donkey Kong Country was released, if I remember right, but it was still a strong competition. And after that, Sega went downhill pretty damn fast.
So is Donkey Kong Country, my favourite game franchise of all time, to blame for the downfall of Sega, my favourite game production company of all time? Maybe.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject:
I mean technology-wise, not popularity-wise, of course. Most of Nintendo's systems were not innovative at all... Atari, Sega and the like having already achieved that technology level years before.
The Atari Lynx came out in 1989. It was not made obsolete until 2001 when Nintendo released the GameBoy Advance.
The Atari Jaguar came out in what.. 1996?
Nintendo didn't release anything more powerful than it until the Gamecube.
Nintendo's always been a bit behind the times, tech-wise. Fortunately for them, they've got the fanbase, game series and the marketing power... but if they continue on their current trend, (which I'm hearing they will, the Revolution will probably not be as powerful as the PS3 or Xbox 360), they won't be able to out-market their competitors as they have in the past, and even if they do, Sony and Microsoft won't drop out of the gaming market.
Nintendo will be in serious trouble if their fanbase ever notices that the other consoles avaliable are much better. I mean, Sony has way more games for their system than Nintendo does. Katamari anyone?
And hey, if Nintendo's console market does go sour, don't worry... Mario and Link and thems will still have new games... just on Sony and Microsoft's gaming consoles. _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
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"The Chicken of Lust"
It's not about the hardware, it's about the games. Yes, from judging tech. superiority Nintendo is definitely not the best. If hardware were the only reason people bought systems, Nintendo would indeed fail. But they haven't. And why? Because they continue to produce amazing games that capture people's attention, in spite of not being as pretty looking (or etc.)
The Rev is definitely not going to be as powerful as the other two next-gen consoles. But I seriously doubt it's going to fail. Most people I know are planning to get one as soon as it's released. One of my friends is getting a PS3 (two actually), but only to sell them on ebay for big bucks.
Also, even if Nintendo "goes sour", I'm sure they won't be putting their games on other systems. I would be appalled if they did.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject:
Otogi-san wrote:
ITS, did you not read Cyberpumpkin's post?
Why do people always accuse me of that?
Yes, of course I did. He misunderstood me. So did you.
I wrote:
I mean technology-wise, not popularity-wise
I wasn't talking about how well the system did, I was talking about how powerful the system was, and Nintendo has been consistently backwater in this respect, and I feel that they've got to get over it, 'cause it's not going to help them anymore. _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
- CEO Nwabudike Morgan
"The Chicken of Lust"
The main reason the Rev's not going to be as powerful is because Nintendo's focusing on the Revmote and its enhancement of gameplay experience. They don't need to be as powerful as the other consoles. What would you prefer, looking at very detailed sweat off a football player's brow, or swing an in game sword to hack people's head off?
Also, you say you're not talking about how well the system does. But then you say that less power isn't going to "help them". Help them what? It wouldn't happen to be.. "how well the system does", would it? ;p
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject:
Otogi-san wrote:
The main reason the Rev's not going to be as powerful is because Nintendo's focusing on the Revmote and its enhancement of gameplay experience. They don't need to be as powerful as the other consoles. What would you prefer, looking at very detailed sweat off a football player's brow, or swing an in game sword to hack people's head off?
Well, considering my criticism of the Revmote, you decide.
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Also, you say you're not talking about how well the system does. But then you say that less power isn't going to "help them". Help them what? It wouldn't happen to be.. "how well the system does", would it? ;p
no ;p _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
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"The Chicken of Lust"
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject:
The fact that they're putting so much work into the revmote simply means it won't be crappy and defective like a simple two-three game peripheral. And yes, Nintendo has had a streak of not being as graphically ahead as other systems.
Notice hot the DS got so totally owned by the psp, due to the graphics? Oh wait. It didn't. Just because Nintendo is putting their work into the controller now doesn't mean they'll slacken up and make crappy games using it.
And I can guarantee you, they'll have made their games intuitive as possible. Link won't be falling off a cliff on accident any time soon.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject:
Sharp wrote:
The fact that they're putting so much work into the revmote simply means it won't be crappy and defective like a simple two-three game peripheral. And yes, Nintendo has had a streak of not being as graphically ahead as other systems.
Notice hot the DS got so totally owned by the psp, due to the graphics? Oh wait. It didn't. Just because Nintendo is putting their work into the controller now doesn't mean they'll slacken up and make crappy games using it.
And I can guarantee you, they'll have made their games intuitive as possible. Link won't be falling off a cliff on accident any time soon.
You can put lots and lots of work into something and still have it be crappy.
And yeah, the DS did get owned graphically by the PSP. My friend owns a DS and he's a big Nintendo fanboy, but frequently complains that the DS seems like it doesn't have a texture filter and sometimes looks worse graphically than the N64.
Oh, wait, I see, you're saying that it doesn't matter that the graphics are worse, because it still sold well.
Sure, but how much longer will that last? _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
- CEO Nwabudike Morgan
"The Chicken of Lust"
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject:
Well, the industry is a fickle friend in america. Hacing both, I'd have to say that it rests quarely on the shoulders of the games. As for japan, a major part of the market, the DS is just going to sell more and more. Funny, wasn't battery power one of the reason the game boy sold so well.
Anyway, unlike some people, I'm perfectly willing to admit that sony could pull a fast one. I don't even mind so much. My psp just broke, (as most psps do) but I'm getting a new one since I insured it. Circuit city is unlikely to have a psp with 1.50 firmware, so I'm seriously hoping they do come out with better games.
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That's an odd statement. I wonder what it's based on?
