Gender: Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 6430 Status: User Location: boston: "the city of angels"
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:10 am Post subject:
bonnie was referencing a south park episode, guys. i would say that athiests do about as much shitting out of their mouths as anyone person belonging to religion.
steveo, you rock. i mean, seriously. knowledge is power, ain't it? i hope it's ok to "borrow" some of your argument when the opportunity presents itself...
...so i hope you dont take it personally when i said that "most people know the stories arent true". i was exaggerating in true goulet form, and it's cool with me to believe in that. however, it's pretty well known that through the many revisions up to our time, many of the stories (such as jesus taking the prostitute and telling he who is without sin to cast the first stone) have been added or re-worded according to the author. which is why i say it's not as important as people make it out to be to take the STORIES as fact, but with a grain of salt. it's about the morals, ideals, living a pious life not lying obey god etc. etc.
so yeah, i think religion is good in most cases, and keeps people grounded. if religion was banned, people would grasp on to some other dumb reason to promote bigotry.
ANYWAY i dont know why sneak has bonnie's quote in his signature...because im pretty sure he took it to mean something else. i mean, there were tons of smart atheists. _________________
Gender: Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 5755 Status: User Location: Cunter, Switzerland
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:28 am Post subject:
yeah, I was just referencing the south park episode. though I do agree with it to an extent, that most atheists are just as much cuntesque as most religious people are, that nobody is perfect, that there are people on both sides that shit out of their mouths, so to speak.
nice video 'robs730', but you could do the same thing with any other 'minority' and it'd have the same effects - just replace the great thinkers and entertainers and add a new statistic. noone's denying that many great thinkers have been atheists, but perhaps even more have belonged to a religion.
and frankly, I don't want to be piled with seth green and dave matthews.
by the way, I don't get why agnostics and atheists are always piled together, I'm agnostic and I can't stand being piled with them, no offence to atheists here. _________________
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:32 am Post subject:
I don't mind agnostics at all. I understand where they're coming from, and at least they're giving religion the benefit of the doubt. _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
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"The Chicken of Lust"
Gender: Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 6430 Status: User Location: boston: "the city of angels"
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:33 am Post subject:
yeah, im not saying that atheists are the only great thinkers...just saying that just because youre atheist doesnt mean youre stupid.
yeah, i lean towards agnosticism too...i mean, i like to think there's something. maybe. but i think declaring that there is no god and we're all here for no reason is about as stupid (this is not the right word...i dont want to offend people, just cant think of a better adjective) as saying with 100% certainty that there is one. regardless of your faith, nobody can be compeltely sure on their beliefs when really nobody has figured out what purpose we ahve here, or what started everything. yeah, there's the big bang, but that basically says something came from nothing, and i dont see how that's possible.
but yeah, i think ITS' real point was "mavhunter shits out of his mouth" _________________
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Gender: Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 2306 Status: User Location: Flippin' quarters into jukeboxes
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:05 am Post subject:
Ah yes...
Steveo wrote:
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)
I was trying to remember that verse when Luke said something to the effect of "there's no where in the Bible where it specifically states that homosexuality is a sin, just perverse. That is, to my knowledge." Thanks for looking that up, although I doubt you had to considering that it must have been used against you countless times in the past. I sympathize with you for that.
Of course, there is a scripture that eludes me at the moment that says essentially that if you have committed one sin, whether it be adultry, theft, or even violating the sabbath (God forbid... literally), you have committed all sins. So technically, wouldn't those self-righteous, over-zealous fundamentalists, by their own standards, have committed the equivelant of homosexuality, not to mention murder and any other highly detestable acts also mentioned in the Good Book? I'm not sure. Perhaps I'm appraising the scripture incorrectly and it's just that all sin is equal. Of course, that still stands as another formidable barrier of hypocrisy for fundamentalists to overcome.
I still stand by the philosophy that one's sexual preferences are their own affair and no one else's. Think what you want about those who "practice" something that may seem queer to you, but just know that there are innumerable things about every individual that can be ridiculed by one ignorant, biased moron or another. It is just the way of the world for there to be an uncontrollable quantity of idiocy that can never be stifled.
Gender: Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 6077 Status: Moderator
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:12 am Post subject:
religion's always a scapegoat. When people can't justify something, they usually turn to religion to do it.
"I hate ____!"
"Why?"
"'cause uh... erm... maybe ... they're ... bad. The Bible probably says so." _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
- CEO Nwabudike Morgan
"The Chicken of Lust"
Gender: Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 6077 Status: Moderator
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:26 am Post subject:
I'll bet the bible denounces sarcasm somewhere. _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
You can be my hen and we can f(Bu-GAWK)
A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
- CEO Nwabudike Morgan
"The Chicken of Lust"
Of course, there is a scripture that eludes me at the moment that says essentially that if you have committed one sin, whether it be adultry, theft, or even violating the sabbath (God forbid... literally), you have committed all sins. So technically, wouldn't those self-righteous, over-zealous fundamentalists, by their own standards, have committed the equivelant of homosexuality, not to mention murder and any other highly detestable acts also mentioned in the Good Book? I'm not sure. Perhaps I'm appraising the scripture incorrectly and it's just that all sin is equal. Of course, that still stands as another formidable barrier of hypocrisy for fundamentalists to overcome.
I'm thinking it's more along the lines of the latter. And as the Bible teaches it's a hypocrisy for everyone, not just fundamentalists. The Bible teaches that even the littlest lie could send you to hell. That's the whole reason for a savior, so the sins you commited would be forgiven.
As for the whole Old Testament relevancy, I'm not quite sure. Obviously some things wouldn't be applicable today. But if you throw out all the laws from the Old Testament then you're throwing out the ten commandments too, which the New Testament supports. It seems to be based entirely on context. You just have to know what that context is.
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