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Okies, heres a thread where we talk about words. Slang terms, their meanings, why do we have certain ones that sound the same, but mean diefferent things ancient words that came into being, myths, etc.
For example: The word "Hymen" developed into the word Hymn.
In ancient Rome. The Christians were thought to be practicing witchcraft whenever they took communion. The term in Latin "Hoc est corpus" changed into "Hocus Pocus", a term used by magicians and people describing magic.(im sure Bonnie can either back me up or correct me on these)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Words |
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| Steveo wrote: | | For example: The word "Hymen" developed into the word Hymn. |
Haha, yikes. |
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That's correct.
"Hussie" used to be meant to describe a housewife.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Words |
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| Terri wrote: | | Steveo wrote: | | For example: The word "Hymen" developed into the word Hymn. |
Haha, yikes. |
Not the Hymen you're thinking of. There's several routes the word hymn could've taken... it could've been adapted from the latin hymnus, meaning "song of praise," from the greek hymnos, "song or ode in praise of gods or heroes," or if those don't seem likely enough, perhaps it came from hymenaios, meaning "wedding song," as Hymen is the Greek god of marriage.
| Mavhunter wrote: | | "Hussie" used to be meant to describe a housewife. |
Now that's accurate. The word's been around since the 1500s or so, but the dichotomy wasn't fully in place until the 19th century: "It is common to use housewife in a good, and huswife or hussy in a bad sense."
I'm glad to see people interested in etymology, it's very interesting to see where our language comes from... but there's so many etymology urban legends...
and if you make any attempts at the origin of the two most popular swear words, just know now that what you say is almost definitely going to be dead wrong.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Words |
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| Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote: | | Terri wrote: | | Steveo wrote: | | For example: The word "Hymen" developed into the word Hymn. |
Haha, yikes. |
Not the Hymen you're thinking of. There's several routes the word hymn could've taken... it could've been adapted from the latin hymnus, meaning "song of praise," from the greek hymnos, "song or ode in praise of gods or heroes" |
Yep. I believe hymnus came from hymnos, so you're safe there. It's derived, in English, from the Old English ymen, which comes from the later Latin ymnus, and, oddly enough, turned into hymn as a result of classical influence (and probably the Old French ymne, in Middle English, though we dropped the "e"). As opposed to hymenos, which is Greek for "a thin skin, membrane" and is where hymen unsurprisingly comes from. Also, compare to Hymen or Hymenaios, the god of marriage, and hymenaios, which is, ironically, a genre of wedding "hymn." My Greek is terrible, as I don't speak it, so I probably screwed something up in there. My apologies if I did.
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"Derek and the Dominos" was spawned from a mispronunciation of "Eric and the Dynamos."
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Words |
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| Steveo wrote: | | In ancient Rome. The Christians were thought to be practicing witchcraft whenever they took communion. The term in Latin "Hoc est corpus" changed into "Hocus Pocus", a term used by magicians and people describing magic. |
Wow, I didn't even notice this one before. I must have been too distracted by the hymen. Anyway, the ancient Rome bit is definitely false, and the rest of it is pretty dubious (from the Latin dubius, "doubtful"). The first appearance of the phrase in English is in the early 1600s; supposedly a juggler called himself that, naming himself after a faux-Latin phrase he used. The idea that it was a corruption of hoc est corpus didn't come about until the 1690s in a John Tillotson sermon in which he conjectures that the phrase is a "ridiculous imitation of the priests of the Church of Rome in their trick of Transubstantiation." Rather unsurprisingly, his works also include a book entitled A Discourse against Transubstantiation. Like I said, a bit dubious.
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I shall pizzle thee! It's a "forgotten term" that I learned from some book with "forgotten terms" in it.
Pizzle- (v) to relentlessly flog someone to death, usually as a means of criminal execution, with a rubberized, bull's penis.
I swear to God, it's true.
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| Tacofiend wrote: | I shall pizzle thee! It's a "forgotten term" that I learned from some book with "forgotten terms" in it.
Pizzle- (v) to relentlessly flog someone to death, usually as a means of criminal execution, with a rubberized, bull's penis.
I swear to God, it's true. |
Yeah. It comes from the noun "pizzle," meaning, "the penis of an animal, esp. a bull, formerly used as a flogging instrument." This leads me to believe it wasn't always a rubber one. . . although, sadly, I'm not very educated in methods of whipping people with an animal penis.
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That's a shame.
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| Quote: | | .(im sure Bonnie can either back me up or correct me on these) |
not for any latin words, I'm afraid.
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Remember that one time you tried to say butternut squash and it came out "squtternut bash"?
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| DJ The Stick wrote: | | "Eric and the Dynamos." |
One of my first screennames was "Dinamo".
True story.
Also, here's a funny word.
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