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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:57 am Post subject:
I suspect it was a stupid experiment to see if they could get away with saving money be replacing the Daleks with the newer ones....and apparently it failed in the eyes of most people. I hope that message is not lost on RTD and crew. Seriously, HOW do some people in charge come to such conclusions? "It's still CALLED a Dalek, that's what people want, right? Something CALLED a Dalek? The specifics don't really matter?" _________________ "It'll be dark by nightfall!"
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:44 am Post subject:
last episode was decent, way better than that two parter, but still not fantastic and completely gripping. it was a pretty cool monster at least. harold's a silly name.
i've been watching some of the tom baker episodes i finally scored off someone, and now i see why people adore the older stuff so much, though i can't put a finger on what that is. despite it being lower tech, it's still completely gripping, maybe even more so. i'm guessing it's the writing. (does anyone have a demonoid registration code? they have a torrent of all the 5th doctor stuff that i kinda want, but you need to be registered to get it...)
i'm really looking forward to the two-parter coming up since there seems to be a lot they could potentially do with it, but logic is telling me that they're going to fuck it up somehow. boo. next episode looks gimmicky and not exciting despite it being loaded with action: the 42 referring to 42 minutes in real time, or so i'm guessing from the official bbc site. _________________
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:04 am Post subject:
well yeah, I finally saw the last episode there... I'mma have to say that it's a pretty dumb premise... humans are kinda... an evolutionary light year away from scorpions.
But it was a pretty good story if you ignore science, kinda like the last one.
No wait, not like the last one at all.
The next one looks like it could be interesting. I still can't wait for Blink, though. Moffat's like the only good Who writer this millenium. They should bring in Terrance Dicks.
Well no, they shouldn't, 'cause he'll revive the time lords.
... no, they should, 'cause he'll revive the time lords.
And yeah, I heard the next two-parter was actually adapted from a novel where the doctor turns human or something.
So in other words, yes, it'll suck on ice. I hate the novels.
If you're watching Tom Baker, be sure to catch The Deadly Assassin. The only story in classic Who where the Doctor has no companion. It has a bunch of action, pretty good writing, a nice story, and features a story element that was blatantly ripped off 20 years later by the Wachowski brothers.
Yes, Doctor Who invented the matrix. They even called it the matrix. In The Deadly Assassin, the Doctor enters the matrix. He does it three more times, in fact. However, this is by far the best time. _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:58 am Post subject:
The Deadly Assassin was the first one I watched, actually, and I really enjoyed it. Matrix bit was awesome and trippy, though I seriously didn't make the movie connection 'till just now D: watched a bunch of other Tom Baker ones too. Just grabbed torrents for complete Peter Davison and Jon Pertwee, but I want to figure out which are the best serials to download first since I have limited space until I get another external. Mergh. I'm getting a 500 gig next time, and I'm making the motherfucker myself.
I can forgive the science in that one a bit though. It didn't completely overstep the lines of logic. Maybe I was paying more attention to the genetics misnomers than the whole anti-aging thing. Messing around with DNA won't make you look like that though, mind you, mutations do gather with age... getting rid of them will not make you look like that. I can forgive them.
Well, I read a summary or two of Human Nature and honestly to me it sounds hella cool, but I haven't read the novels, nor do I really care to unless I can find one that's fantastically written. 'pparently that's the best one though. As I said, I think there's a lot they can do with it. But deep down I know they're going to utterly fuck it up D:
moffat for head writer. let's get rid of rtd, srsly. and that chick who wrote the dalek two parter. that fucking sucked, no way around it. _________________
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:16 am Post subject:
Its_The_Sneak!!! wrote:
So in other words, yes, it'll suck on ice. I hate the novels.
I was right. I really wish I wasn't right.
It would've been nice if Paul Cornell had at least taken out the lines that were written especially for the 7th doctor.
And one burning question bothered me through the entire episode: If the watch is so bleeding important, why don't they keep it in the TARDIS with the sonic screwdriver, instead of on a shelf where any toddler with random psychic powers can steal it and be all too shy to do anything about it?
Gah, and I'll bet the little sod's gonna end up saving the day somehow too, just by being in the right place at the right time. Good thing we know he already dies in WW I. He totally deserves it.
Continuity-wise, this is the stupidest thing the Doctor's ever thought up. He was able to escape Daleks who were temporally chasing him by going to dangerous places until they died. He was able to escape the Black Guardian by putting a randomizer on the TARDIS controls. To hide as human in a school on Earth in 1913, putting everyone there in danger as a result, while relying on Monotone Martha to hold on to his timelordity in a @#$@ing watch?
And if the Doctor has a freakin' bio-cameleo-fraga-whatchamacallit, why hasn't he ever used it before? It would've come in handy at least 8 times now....
and it's a really dumb idea anyway. Paul Cornell is an idiot. I hate the novels so much. When is Steven Moffat gonna just start writing all the episodes? When are they gonna let Terrance Dicks write one? Come ON.
At least they could finally do Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen or the Puffball version of Ark in Space or one of the 18 other rejected/unfilmed classic Who stories, but no, they're so starved for bad ideas they reap them from the novels, which if you subscribe to their canon, have destroyed Gallifrey two different ways, have altered the 3rd Doctor's timeline and killed him off differently (so somehow Robot wasn't supposed to happen that way or something? I dunno, the novels are stupid and I hate them so much).
This is worse than the time the Star Trek writers almost adapted Star Trek: First Contact from a 20-part Data/Lore self-insertion fanfic .
In summary, Human Nature sucked. The next episode's gonna suck, and so did 42. I can imagine what the writer was saying at the script conference.
"Ooh, I know, let's have a ship falling into the sun with only 42 minutes left and have the Doctor have to beat a quiz game to save the day! Oooh, and Martha can have her phone modded like Rose's so she can Phone a Friend! Her mom!"
"No, not good enough. Let's have the sun be alive and looking at it turns you to lava."
"NO! Better! Looking at the sun turns you into an evil zombie that kills people! And the doctor can be infected and Rose -er Martha can save the day!"
"Brilliant!"
"But if she phones her mom, let's not forget about the evil Torchwood people that are trying to track the Doctor down!"
"Right, we'll have them in too!"
"Best episode ever!"
Paul Cornell believes that the Time War is a free pass to disregard past continuity from any source, including the TV show. He says that the Time War obviously changed history, so forget what happened in previous Doctor Who episodes, only things made in 2005 on count now.
What an idiot. He's just sore 'cause Russel T. said he wasn't going to reference the books or be bound by them for the TV series.
He goes on to cite The Ark and End of the World as examples, saying that the two episodes contradict each other, but they don't. There's two easy explanations why they don't. He just says it's proof that Russel T. doesn't care about past continuity and wants to openly disregard it.
This is the kind of crap that comes out of the novels.
I really wish the BBC would just do what Star Trek did and say "Enjoy the books and audios. They're not canon, but enjoy them." That'd put the moronic novel authors in their place. Knock them off their high horse and say "get back to fanfiction.net until you write us a new book to sell" _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:51 am Post subject:
so yeah, what was all that crap about the Doctor using his infinite power that he got from nowhere to make the family of blood immortal and trap them forever?
And what's so terrible about tying someone up and dropping them below the TARDIS floor?
Nice ending, but this entire story was worthless. It took a human to spot the fatal flaws in the Doctor's plan? That was terrible
And what's even more terrible is that Sylvester McCoy was the original actor Paul Cornell had in mind to do all that. Father's Day was pretty dumb too. Paul Cornell's characterization of the Doctor is all wrong. The entire thing plays like fanfiction.
And really, that's what the novels are anyways.
Stupid, stupid. Especially because at the end, he was able to trick them into smelling him as human when he wasn't anyway. So not only was this plan stupid and dangerous, it was completely unnecessary to accomplish what he wanted.
My opinion of the entire season rests on Moffat now. He'd better not disappoint me, but from the looks of it, Blink ain't gonna be as great as his last two by a long shot. _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:00 am Post subject:
i liked it. :< i know i may not be able to justify the canon or the reasoning behind the whole bit but i liked how john smith ended up as more of an independent character than anything. the whole little epilogue explaining what he did to the family bugged me too though, i thought that could have been stronger.
well, i read somewhere that moffat is writing one of the two parters for next season if that gets your hopes up. i'm actually looking even more forward to blink now after seeing the preview. judging from what very little of the plot they showed in it it seems like this episode better uses the restriction of the doctor having a lot less screen time than love and monsters. that shit sucked. _________________
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:09 am Post subject:
fruiterian wrote:
i liked how john smith ended up as more of an independent character than anything.
yeah, that's why Cornell wrote it, he wanted to show what he thought the Doctor would be like if he was human and not a time lord.
The story he wrapped around it was terrible and convoluted, and reading his little blurb about it on the BBC site, could've been a lot better if he didn't throw so many good ideas away before settling on this crappy one.
Bottom line: The Doctor would never incapacitate himself and hide in an area populated by innocent people if bloodthirsty things were chasing him and there was no possibility of escape. Why not? 'Cause it'd put all the little Earthlings in danger, and he'd be as helpless to save them as they are to save themselves. The Doctor (maybe not in the 7th Doctor's time, but by now he would) would've considered falling in love an option, since HE JUST FREAKING FELL IN LOVE WITH ROSE LAST SEASON. That was also a huge mistake.
He would've seen both of those coming, but Paul Cornell had him conveniently be an idiot about the whole thing.
And I love how Paul Cornell, in every thing I've seen him write about Doctor Who, plays around with the idea of disregarding canon. That makes me feel really safe having him being a writer for the show.
No. The way he should've written this story was to not have the Doctor surrender his timelordity for humanity. The Doctor would never do that outside of the confines of Paul Cornell. He should've had humanity thrust upon him, and had to live as a human until Martha was able to reverse the effect.
And no doubt about it, Blink is going to be over 300% better than Love and Monsters.
But that still doesn't mean it's going to be very good.
But yeah, in future discourse, anyone defending any part of Human Nature will be reminded that the Doctor used his fantastic power that Paul Cornell believes he has to trap Daughter of Theirs in every mirror everywhere. Guess what, mirrors don't work that way. Thanks, Cornell. _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:37 am Post subject:
to me despite the doctor saying otherwise last season it never seemed like it was anything other than rose crushing on the doctor. there seemed to be, to me at least, little indication that the doctor really, y'know, loved her. looking back i wouldn't have minded rose as a companion if there wasn't that romance. somehow t'me it seemed like that relationship was, i don't know, a step down for the doctor.
looking through the novel now, the idea of him being chased down by monsters is a stronger one than him wanting to be human to better understand human emotions--that part of the novel seems weaker than the episodes. the idea of a curse of humanity may have worked even better as you're suggesting, now that i'm thinking about it... i still don't think it's quite as bad as you're saying, despite that little epilogue with the girl being ridiculously stupid. _________________
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:23 am Post subject:
fruiterian wrote:
to me despite the doctor saying otherwise last season it never seemed like it was anything other than rose crushing on the doctor. there seemed to be, to me at least, little indication that the doctor really, y'know, loved her. looking back i wouldn't have minded rose as a companion if there wasn't that romance. somehow t'me it seemed like that relationship was, i don't know, a step down for the doctor.
Yeah, you're exactly right. It should've never been anymore than Rose having a crush. And extending that relationship to Sarah Jane was rediculous. She liked the doctor, yeah, but she wasn't pining after him for years. But then the Doctor decides that, despite the fact that he's never done this with any of the other female companions before, even the one that was the same species, he'd fall in love. The Doctor's getting all emo and I hate it.
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i still don't think it's quite as bad as you're saying, despite that little epilogue with the girl being ridiculously stupid.
I just think the entire premise of the whole thing is rediculously stupid. _________________ Come into my den let me hear you cluck
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A bite to the leg, it's time to play
Baby, let me be your egg that needs to get laid.
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